Source: Short Side Of Long
- Industrial sector (XLI) within the S&P 500 tends to correlate with the main index the best. When we overlap the two, they seem almost identical at times and therefore this sector holds a strong "tell" on the overall market. Having failed at the 37 resistance three times over the last 16 months, the Industrial sector looks very vulnerable, especially because it tends to lead the S&P 500 at major turning points. Furthermore, the relative strength of Industrials is giving us a warning signal that the sector is losing its uptrend leadership role and may be ready for a break down. Disclosure: I have sold short the Industrial sector.
Source: Nordea Newsletter
- Euro currency skew risk, which is commonly used to derive the difference in price between Puts and Calls, is showing that complacency has once again returned to the currency options market. For what it's worth, the current market conditions are showing extremely cheap Put prices relative to the same strike / expiry Calls. Historically, this has indicated that the Euro is much closer to a top than a bottom. Furthermore, over the last few months Super Mario has managed to squeeze more than three quarters of all Euro bears that held short positions against the currency. Recommending to "short the Euro" is far from a consensus trade these days.
Source: Short Side Of Long
- The Australian economy has not suffered a recession in over 21 years. Unemployment rate has not risen meaningfully for a whole generation. Housing prices are some of the most overvalued in the Developed World largely due to incredible leveraging stemming from the country not experiencing a single day of hardship for more than two decades. Australians have now become the wealthiest individuals in the world. Too good to be true? That is because it is. The recent book published nationally was titled "The Australian Moment", describing how the fortunes of the "lucky country" will continue for a long time into the future. It was a fantastic read... for a contrarian. I am skeptic, with a view that the economy is on the edge of a rescission (finally) and that the currency is on the edge of a bear market.
Source: Merrill Lynch Newsletter
- Despite strong evidence supporting the fact that there is a very high probability of a global synchronised recession, the consensus outlook remains upbeat. Reading the recent Merrill Lynch newsletter, amongst others, it is becoming very clear that the consensus outlook is for a growth recovery in early 2013. As seen in the chart above, the main forecast is an Eurozone rescission to trough in early parts of 2013 and to regain growth by the third quarter, while the outlook for the United States is to miss a recession and continue to "muddle through". If you believe ML and many other investment banks, you have nothing to worry about in the coming 12 to 18 months. Once again, I am skeptic, with a view that: a) Chinese real estate will experience a hard landing; b) the Eurozone recession will intensify; c) EU Debt Crisis is heading for a final climax with an overdue default out of Greece and; d) the US will once again enter a recession.
If you have been a following the blog since late July and early August, you would have noticed a critical change in my outlook on risk assets and the the global economy. It was around that time, that I started to make it clear that the fundamental conditions were deteriorating rapidly and that the stock market was most likely on its last leg of the advance.
Source: BarChart / Short Side Of Long
This advance, out of the June lows was mainly driven by central bank stimulus and had nothing to do with fundamentals. Some of the broadest measures of the stock market price, like the NYSE Composite (chart above) or the MSCI World Index, actually experienced an orthodox top in May 2011, as recent rallies have failed to push prices to new bull market highs. Fast forward to today, I still hold a view that post US elections, the world will be facing a terrible 2013 and/or 2014.
Source: BarChart
Up to this point, stocks have been bullet proof as investors took refuge in US denominated assets for the whole of 2012. Indices like the Nasdaq 100, which tend to be stock market leaders, experienced huge gains year to date. Interestingly enough, today the Nasdaq 100 is still below its March high. But unlike March highs, retail investor greed and bullish sentiment during the August & September recovery has been quite remarkable to watch. These are some of the "real comments" dated back to only the September of 2012 from various blogs and forums:
- "Major Breakouts this week on $NYA, QQQ, $RUT, $SPX, $MID. A continuation of this could get people rotating out of bonds into stocks in a hurry!"
- "This indicator has done great work for years, so if we see no new highs in the coming weeks, I would be very surprised."
- "My look at "SPY:TLT" has bullish MAs alignment which clearly says PRO-RISK."
- "My probability calcs support the breakout, and if we can breakout [above March highs] into clear air, then the gains should be significant: a melt up, an overthrow should occur."
- "I’ve taken a small DOW long position this morning...with a pile of investor cash sitting on the sidelines."
- "In real terms, bearish arguments make a ton of sense, and are mostly accurate, but those beautifully-reasoned puts can take you for a ride all the way to zero."
- "S&P 500 10% higher from its current level, which would take us back to the all time nominal high, or 10% lower, which would take us back to the end of May of this year? Absolutely easier to see it 10% higher."
- "Short term overbought, if you are nimble can play the downside for a week or so, BUT remember trend is up, so best bet is buy the dips."
- "I don’t see price at this point looking toppy."
- "The Nas and the SP500 both broke out a week ago, then pulled back to the breakout, made a successful retest and then advanced again. That’s usually a pretty bullish formula."
Source: Short Side Of Long
Now, I could have included a million and one comments, but you get the point. It was only at the end of September that I was asking where are all the bears? Well, they are still no where to be seen. According to Dumb Money fund flows, bullish sentiment is not really pulling back, but actually intensifying. The retail crowd is still very happy "to buy the dip" and jump both hands and feet into the stock market. So... with such an optimistic outlook from so many market participants, I ask myself why is the Nasdaq 100 breaking down?
Source: BarChart / Short Side Of Long
We have just witnessed a classic bull trap or a false break (2B pattern) out at resistance around 2,800 on the Nasdaq 100. Technically, whenever an assets break a major support or resistance zone and then reverses in a fake out, the movement in the opposite direction tends to be quite powerful. Now correct me if I am wrong but with the abundance of optimism around, isn't the tech sector meant to be leading the advance higher? So why is it selling off and under-performing broad averages so rapidly? Furthermore, a keen market obscurer would have noticed that major bull market leaders like Apple (amongst others) are now reversing their breakouts and instead are breaking down. From my experience, that usually tends to be one of the warnings of a major top at hand.
Source: Short Side Of Long
Remaining on the topic of weakening sectors, one of the best ways to gauge the health of the market is through breadth participation readings. As we can see in the chart above, I find it astonishing that the S&P 500 is only 2 to 3 percent away from its 52 week high and yet less than two thirds of its components are above the 200 day moving average. What is even more alarming, is the very narrow participation of early cyclical leading sectors like Semiconductors and Technology, which currently show 12.5% and 37.5% of stocks above their 200 MA respectively. The industrial sector, which I shorted recently, has now started to break down too. There is now a rather large bearish divergence in progress between higher highs in prices and lower highs in the breadth participation.
Source: Short Side Of Long
And while some indicators are showing narrow participation and weakening breadth, other more smoothed measures are showing extreme overbought readings that signal a correction or even a top is close at hand. Consider the chart above, which shows the NYSE 52 Week High Low Ratio averaged over 21 days or one trading month, with overbought readings at 90% or higher. Over the last 7 years, there have been only 9 extreme overbought readings, including the current one.
- In Nov 06 - stocks rallied a few percent more before giving it all back in a correction
- In Feb 07 - stocks corrected almost immediately with a sharp correction following
- In Mar 07 - stocks rallied a few percent more, then the cyclical bull market topped
- In Oct 09 - stocks corrected almost immediately with a sharp correction following
- In Jan 10 - stock corrected almost immediately with a sharp correction following
- In Mar 10 - stocks rallied a few percent more before giving it all back in a "Flash Crash"
- In Feb 11 - stocks corrected immediately and later experienced a crash in August
- In Mar 12 - stocks rallied a few percent more before giving it all back in a correction
- In Oct 12 - stocks...
Will stocks rally higher before correcting? Or will they correct almost immediately? Are we going to experience another flash crash? Or maybe we are now topping in a similar pattern to 2007 and 2011, before a major sell off sometime in 2013? Or maybe stocks will just keep powering higher? Which one will it be?
Another reason why stocks are most likely breaking down is the fact that the "inflation trade" or the "risk on trade" has become well advertised. The Ben & Mario two punch combo (Street Fighter anyone?) has most likely been discounted by the market's powerful rally out of June lows. In the chart above, we can see that since the Global Financial Crisis started in 2007, every time 10 Year Break Evens reached extreme levels of consensus, the stock market as well as other risk assets, experienced a significant correction. Currently, the inflation expectations and euphoria surrounding inflationary stimulus measures is very much baked in and overcooked. Every man, his father, his mother, his daughter, his son, their cousins, pets and the next door neighbour all know about QE infinity.
Let us assume for the sake of this argument that the inflation trade, also known as the risk on trade, has becomes consensus. What should we expect going forward? Common sense would state the opposite, which is for the deflation trade to return.
Let us assume for the sake of this argument that the inflation trade, also known as the risk on trade, has becomes consensus. What should we expect going forward? Common sense would state the opposite, which is for the deflation trade to return.
Source: Short Side Of Long
What I find to support this argument is the fact that while the stock market has railed rather powerfully out of the June 2012 lows, Bond prices have not sold off and have just moved sideways instead. As we can see in the chart above, this pattern has occurred before into early 2007, into early 2010, into early 2012 and now into late 2012. Every time stocks rallied and yet Bonds failed to sell off meaningfully, the non-confirmation usually resulted in Bonds making a new higher high and stocks correcting meaningfully. With the inflation trade overheating and overly bullish sentiment currently present on almost all risk assets, I think we are in for higher Bond prices largely due to the fact that money has no alternative, despite the Treasury Bull Market resembling an overvalued bubble.
When I look at the current condition of US stocks, it definitely reminds me of previous cyclical bull market tops just as the business cycle expansion was coming to an end. Be it overbought prices, narrowing breadth participation, tightening credit spreads, extremely prolonged complacent volatility, overly bullish sentiment readings without a bear in sight or the fact that the Long Bond refuses to sell off - it all links to the economic fundamentals deteriorating rather rapidly. All of these signals make for quite a dangerous cocktail mix going forward (link here). Once again, I advise caution ahead into 2013.
Trading Diary (Last update 09th of October 12)
- Outlook: The Global economy continues to slow rapidly towards a recession. The United States GDP has grown below 2% for 5 out of the last 6 quarters. German GDP is also at stall speed, while China & India are slowing meaningfully with an increasing risk of a hard landing. US corporate earnings and gross profit margins are at record highs, so mean reversion is likely. Corporate revenue growth is already slowing.
- Important Indicators: Cash levels within mutual funds, retail investors, hedge funds and money market funds are at extreme lows, volatility is at very complacent levels and credit spreads are very narrow relative to fundamentals.
- Long Positioning: Long focus is towards the secular commodity bull market, with positions in Precious Metals, especially Silver, and Agriculture, with Sugar recently added. NAV long exposure is about 100%.
- Short Positioning: Short focus is towards the secular equity bear market. Short exposure is held in Dow Transports, Technology, Discretionary and Industrial sectors. Apple and Amazon have been shorted with long dated OTM puts. Pound and the Loonie (long USD) have been shorted with long dated OTM puts. Junk Bonds are also shorted. NAV short exposure is about 80%.
- Watch-list: A major short in due time will be US Treasury long bonds, as they are extremely overbought and in the midst of a huge bubble. While Grains have exploded, Softs present amazing value for investors. Japanese equities are down about 80% from their all time high over two decades ago and offer great value.
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Great article.
ReplyDeleteThe headline for 'Chart 8' is the reason why so many are going to be caught as suckers when the markets tank.
The dollar will rise and the markets, including PMs, will crash. Everyone seems to think the dollar is going to get weaker and weaker... but I think that thought process is a big mistake.
And you have how much skin attached to this story? Just curious.
DeleteIf the DXY does indeed take off from here as stated, that's a strong "risk-off" signal and one that would portend a Romney win. Obama has been a global risk play for 3 years strong. Plot the Intrade Obama 2012 betting chart against the Russell 2000 and you'll see a near perfect 1:1 correlation. That's real people betting real money, not some ridiculous popular poll.
Not so sure the market makers are going to give the Trifecta of Fraud - White house, Fed, TBTF banks - a vacation come November. Too much riding on it.
'And you have how much skin attached to this story? Just curious.'
DeleteI have no idea what means? In English please ;)
Dollar can and will rise off of horrendous sentiment levels, markets can fall and Romney still can loose. Obama can have hard time winning and no landslide victory. And that could be preferred way of handing presidency and not worrying about any radical game changer actions when he didn't win huge.
DeleteToo much Technical Analysis and nothing of macroeconomic data.
ReplyDeleteTake for exampleo the NYSE high low ratio average (a well cooked indicator by the way) and see that nothing happens in point 4, 5 , 6, 7 or 8...just the market continues higher.
TA is ok, but by itself is nothing.
Hugo
If you've been reading the blog, almost every second update has spoken about the deteriorating economic picture. Specifically China is slowing, the US is flat lining with a very real chance of slipping into a recession and Europe as a whole is experiencing a depression...
DeleteOnce you have your thesis on the current and future macroeconomic picture sorted, you use technical analysis to position yourself in the most favourable risk to reward scenario you can find to take advantage of your future thesis.
Hugo - use the side menu of RECENT TOPICS. There are plenty of macro economic writes in the last two months.
ReplyDeleteSince some of you said that one of the possible ways to short the possible australian bubble was to short the AUD I thought you might be interested to know that Goldman Sachs said today that going long into AUD could be "the investment of the century".
ReplyDeleteI don't trust Goldman tho, I might take that as a contrarian view, they probably need to get rid of their positions knowing the burst of the bubble might not be far away.
Did you mean bear trap on the Nasdaq? In other words, a downward fake out to get the bears to jump on it and then a quick resolution to the upside continuing the trend and trapping them (short cover). I guess that's what I see.
ReplyDeleteTypically a bull trap is a strong move to the upside usually exceeding the resistance trendline and then a quick sell off which leaves the bulls hanging at the top as the sell off resumes.
Nice charts as usual, sir.
PS. Coffee looks like death so i picked some up today. Still hope to see a strong double bottom near 150 to wash some weak hands out.
Hi there Funky Tape,
DeleteTo answer your question, I don't see a bear trap. Bear traps occur near bottoms, when price breaks support. In March 2009, we saw a bear trap when S&P 500 broke below 2002 and 2008 support around 750 or so. That was a bear trap.
Today, I see a bull trap. Bulls traps occur near tops, which is where we are today, four years into a bull market. A bull trap on Nasdaq has been a break above March 2012 highs that sucked in all the bulls just before a earnings start to decline and a recession starts.
Tiho, you are spot on in your view of traps. Agree that a bull trap has just taken place. The rally off the 2011 lows played out mainly because the herd got bearish too fast and has since been built off a huge short-covering rally, just like 2008. It was a rally that should have never happened, but it did because 2008 was still fresh on peoples minds and the herd wanted to get bearish too quickly in 2011. This rally has lulled people back to sleep, and the herd is fully invested with clear evidence by the ultra low Rydex money market levels (even lower than where we were at in 2000). I am 100% out of all long positions and have started shorts. When aligning the Rydex Bear & Money Mkt information to the VIX behavior and levels, it resembles the 2000 top. We are most likely entering a period of waterfall declines that could retest the 2008 lows over the next 2 years.
ReplyDeleteMeant to say "just like 1998"
DeleteLOL, there is a huge difference between 1998 and 2000!
DeleteSunny, thank you for your views. While I do not like agreeing with anyone (naturally I rather be contrarian), I have to agree with everything you have said. The reason I never turned bearish in August and September 2011 was the simple fact that the whole world thought we were going to repeat 2008. I also agree with majority of the indicators you stated in your post. I follow all of them and they are all flashing "complacency". Finally, while I expect a recession and a bear market sometime soon coming into 2013, I do not think we are going to go towards March 2009 lows. Personally, I am not that bearish but regardless of what I think, the market will decide what happens soon enough...
DeleteIt would take a massive event to take us back down to March 2009 lows - and with the Bernanke printing press it would have to be something as equal to, or not bigger, than a investment bank going under.
DeleteFrankly, I cannot see that happening again.
But I think a major crash will occur within the next 18 months if not much sooner. My simple reasoning being that we have this incredible highs now in the DOW and NASDAQ whilst the global economy is one heck of a mess... and getting worse...
sunnyview/Tiho,
DeleteHave you got a link to what you are looking at re the Rydex. Just had a look at their site but couldn't find it.
Nova Ursa chart in the post above is a RYDEX fund flow chart.
DeleteBanks just joined the topping parade. it is getting harder and harder to get it up! Heha.
ReplyDeleteYou aren't long anymore Edwin?
DeleteAs a TA man, I can't be long (in fact, I am short now). A simple TA tool told me so. $SPX:TLT. We just have the Bollinger Band Mid-line rolled over and pointing down very much like the April correction! I rather LOOK at what is happening than to LISTEN to the pundits saying SPX 1,500-1,600 by year end.
DeleteYou know, I may not make a lot money swinging my trades but my TA work had always kept me from getting caught/hurt with huge downs.
I have been accumulating a lot of preferred stocks and corporate bonds in the past 6 months which I see are the plays for the next 2 -3 years. I don't like them because they are not exciting and there is very little upside potential in capital gain but I (reluctantly) think that they are where (realistic) money can be made pending the next major correction when I can pick up stocks on the cheap side. The yield ranging from 3% to 8% is plenty of money for me. No need to be greedy. This is a ride on the turtle's back. Safe and steady when combined with many hedge tools at my disposal.
This week, I sold out all my municipal bonds I have bought during the last 2 years. Why? I think a panic regarding the State/local governments' ability to pay their bond holders will be questioned in the futures (due to Fiscal Cliff or when voters say no to higher local taxes in the Nov election??). I be damned if I have to fight for the exit. My friend (who worked for Marc Faber for 10 years in HK) laughed at me for not taking the sizable profits on muni bonds so I followed her advice this week. She bought tons of 30 treasury last Friday and is already making money a week later.
Overall, I am bearish just like you and I am positioning myself accordingly. In the meantime, I jump in and out of fire (going long) just to prove my bravery and trading skill.
I will be watching the monthly chart and the Bollinger Band everyday to give me the clues for a good buy (nowhere to be found for now!)
I remember so many comments here about how we saw a breakout of almost all major US indices around late August and early September. These comments were all about trading the upside and not missing out on the QE rally. Comments when Ben did QE were alongs the lines of "mother of all risk on days". Hahahaha! Apparently the Bond market was about to crash as outflows start migrating to equities (and it hasn't) and the stock market was about to have a "melt up" into the clear skies once it broke out (and it didn't).
ReplyDelete"This broke out, that broke out, this moving average was pointing up and that moving average was showing uptrend signal too." And the story goes on and on about how Pavlov's dogs got sucked into another false breakout or a bull trap.
Consider this chart of Nasdaq Composite over the last 7 years or so, which tends to be a higher beta leading US stock market (link here). Since 2006 every single breakout apart from one, would have given you confidence of being right in the short term (few days or few weeks), only to see your trade underwater several weeks or months later.
You see, I never really understood what the go with breakouts in technical analysis was. I rather short breakouts, than buy them. It is my experience that majority of the time when one buys a breakout, few weeks or months later, it ends up being a losing trade and somewhere near a top. Sometimes, breakouts are real but those are rare and usually found near the bottom of the bear market during oversold conditions and with abundance of pessimism. There have been so many traps in the last 7 years from the Nasdaq chart and interestingly there is usually a background story or a catalysts connected to it, to get human emotion of greed involved.
That way, majority of the herd start to believe in a solution and belief creates greed and rush into some assets. As if there is an urgency to own stocks... just like there was an urgency to buy risky assets with a Ben & Mario one two punch! But I hardly doubt you will get rich following what Ben & mario tell you to do. They want you to push up stock prices, but Mr Market has plans of its own. Catalysts like central banks / governments doing more stimulus, which Mr Market uses perfectly to his advantage to suck in retail investors into a last leg of an uptrend. Afterwards Mr Mark does his thing by inflicting pain on as many as possible. This is usually where we end up seeing a lot of causalities (body bags getting carried out hahaha).
The reason so many people get burned on these "breakouts" is because what you have posted are not breakouts in any meaningful sense, but "dumb money traders", if you will, take them to be.
DeleteA tradeable breakout happens from a specifically identifiable pattern (triangle, wedge, rectangle, flag, etc.) and has a specifically identifiable target (width of the triangle/wedge/rectangle, distance preceding the flag, etc.). A move to new highs is not a breakout, in a tradeable sense anyway.
The easiest way to tell whether something might be tradeable is to simply ask: What is your target and what is your invalidation level? All tradeable patterns have targets so you know when to take your profits and move on and invalidation levels so you know when your wrong and need to take your losses. All too often "traders" find excuses to get in the market with no idea when they are going to get out.
Obviously not all traders are pattern traders and other types of trading can make money too, but those who are know the answer to the above two questions or they don't take the trade.
This is why you don't understand "what the go with breakouts in technical analysis was" because you are not identifying proper breakouts and so of course they never work out and your common sense tells you it would be silly to trade them. This is not meant to be an insult, I just want to help you understand why you don't understand.
If you would like to see how this stuff actually works, check out Scott Pluschau at http://scottpluschau.blogspot.com/ who very successfully trades only pattern breakouts.
I just realized since this looks like I'm pimping Scott's service, I should mention that he has only recently taken his trades behind a "paywall", you can easily see his technique from the blog archive and he continues to post his trades after the fact to show how it works, you certainly don't need to subscribe to see it in action on a historical basis if you are curious.
DeleteThank for the comment and link. I will definitely have a look.
DeleteAs the old saying goes:
ReplyDelete"You are either a casualty or a contrarian!"
The only "break outs" that ever work, are the one similar to the charts early to middle of 2009. But you didn't have to wait for any breakouts, as you just had to look at the extreme oversold conditions, huge spike in the VIX, so much pessimism and awfully economic / earnings / profit / employment data - all of which signalled a huge wall of worry. Calling a "breakout" in September 2012 by stating the market is climbing a wall of worry, once again looks to me like another bull trap, where Pavlov's dogs jumped as soon as Bernanke blew the whistle.
There is no wall of worry today. Manufacturing and industrial production has improved above 2007, utilisation capacity has improved close to 2007, GDP has improved close to 2007, jobless claims have improved close to 2007, stock market has improved close to 2007 (Nasdaq above 2007 at 11 year highs), exports have improved above 2007, retail sales have improved close to 2007, earnings and gross profit margins have improved a lot by reaching record highs above 2007. What is there to create a wall of worry? Almost every simple economic indicator, especially the more important ones like earnings and profit margins, are all close to or above 2007.
Do you really want to be buying stock break outs when earnings are at record highs like in 2007 or 2012, and than get trapped at Nasdaq's 11 year highs... or do you want to be buying stocks when they fall as earnings and margins are 10%, 20%, or even 30% below their 2012 record highs?
Right on!
DeleteTiho,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say that I really enjoy your no-nonsense commentary. It's clear you have a solid grasp on the fundamentals and a keen analytical eye. Too often this year I've swung my trades around without first giving due consideration as to why I was doing it. Failing to sit tight, heh.
So, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
J
Tiho:
ReplyDeleteHow about a break out in the VIX from these depressed levels?
(THe last thing I had break out was my face..........).
I'll tell you one thing in this 'who's right this time, the bulls or bears' fandango...it's never a good idea to marry your trades and get pistol whipped to the poor house with ego-stroking confirmation bias. I've learned that one the hard way.
ReplyDeleteSuch an expensive and unfortunate mistake because the market is never wrong. Yet what do I see, hear and read across the blogosphere? Exactly the above. It's ok to tell stories and fantasies about what *should* happen, but you have to be able to discard them as fast as you created them.
Remember, Livermore blew a hole in the side of his head because the market, in the end, won. You cannot beat it. You cannot time it. It's just a silly game.
Yep, nobody can beat the market or time it using TA, that is why Peter Brandt and Dick Diamond don't exist and haven't traded for a living for decades while paying no mind to fundamentals. They are just a figment of society's imagination. They just go back to their day jobs at the end of the day after a good round at the silly game.
DeleteWe also of course know that the market is never wrong. 2008 happened because there was a really bad unexpected hurricane or something, because since the market had already properly discounted all the bubbles, insolvent banks, and derivative bombs, those couldn't have possibly caused the crash, because we know the market is always right and already knew about these things (not the hurricane or whatever, though, that doesn't count, or whatever)!
Good logic. Have fun with that.
Livermore was married several times-maybe that is why he shot himself in the head. I understand he had a trust fund set up that he could not touch-his last wife was just too much?
ReplyDeleteexcellent article one more time, keep up the good work!
ReplyDeleteThank you
Tiho, thanks for you comments above. Given that you agree that we have witnessed a bull trap within a major top, I'm just curious as to why you are hanging onto ANY long positions.
ReplyDeleteYou mention above... you are long commodities (Precious Metals, especially Silver, and Agriculture, Sugar). Given the fact commodities have a very high correlation risk to the overall market, why would you want to have ANY long positions right now since it will significantly water down your performance? Why wouldn't you just sell them immediately and buy them back at a lower (possibly much lower) price?
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ReplyDelete@Funky Tape: I have seen people who say like you that the market is never wrong. Then why do they create bubbles? Were investors right to buy mortgages at 2005, 2006 or 2007? Were investors right to buy Microsoft during 1999 or 2000? Were investors right when they bought Myspace? And like that, there are many examples. Myspace never came back, Microsoft 12 years later is still a good company but it is far from recovering those levels from 2000.
ReplyDeleteSo, people like you say that market was right to turn it down, but was it right to lift it up to such high levels? They say it was until it wasnt. Thats not very logical to me, doesnt make much sense. A good investor will stay away from that kind of comments, just like you told Tiho to stay away from emotions.
Do not adore the markets, they can be as wrong as we are sometimes, since it is formed by persons with emotions. They are far from being perfect.
Are you american? I don't know why, but many people who say such things use to be americans. I am sorry if I am being rude. I am just pointing out a fact that I have came across in my short experience as an investor. I believe I have never seen a european or asian say that kind of things.
You are very rude. ..the person's nationality doesn't not matter and it is not constructive for you to make a general assertion what a typical American would think. Please refrain. Thank you.
DeleteI am sorry if it hurts but anyway I think it's still the truth. I apologize for saying it so straight, I know they probably were not the best words I could have chosen. Still, the truth is the truth.
DeleteI have also heard many things from americans that were not pretty. It doesnt matter anyway, only time will tell if we (or markets) were right.
It doesn't matter where does that comment come from. I think its absurd to think something or somebody is always right. There is nothing perfect as far as I know. Everything or everybody has a weakness that others make sure to exploit (basic principle of business or manipulation).
Emotions play an important role in the markets and expressions like "markets are perfect", "don't fight the central banks" or so many others have been proven to be wrong at some point. I simply can not believe that some people thing there is something "perfect" or that is "never wrong". That can only be said from ignorance.
Again, I apologize if my words are too harsh.
correction: ...some people *think* there is something...
DeleteIt has nothing to do with him being American. Its just that he likely is talking his portfolio. Confirmation bias etc.
ReplyDeleteIf you read the comments on the Team Macro Man blog they are also generally bullish risk assets, although they have cherry picked their spots (some Chinese equities etc), which is the smart thing to do.
If for one think the S&P is within 10% of a top if not already at a top. No we are not about to begin a new secular bull market. No way no how.
No way no how?
DeleteAre you Chinese?
on what grounds is a secular bull market going to begin? Profit margins are already at all time highs. Are species from another planet going to begin buying corporate products? The world is in a debt trap, with declining hourly incomes and record profit margins. That my friend is not a recipe that leads to the beginning of a secular bull.
DeleteMajority of the time investing longer term is based on simple fundamental analysis as the post above mine perfectly explains. I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't see a secular bull market starting until at least one more recession and bear market to sort some of these excesses out.
DeleteIn a world were there is constant government and central bank intervention in the markets, the markets certainly can and have been wrong. Maybe the saying "the market is never wrong" is something that's been carried forward from a time when we actually had free markets, but that isn't the case anymore.
ReplyDeletesunnyview - I understand that a correction is in progress. As a matter of fact, while others were bullish I have been calling for one in the last several weeks. But regardless of what happens, I cannot sell my previous Silver purchases. If I was to do that, I would lose my position in a bull market and I cannot afford that.
ReplyDeleteAs for correlations, commodities don't correlate to stocks as much as you think they do. Sure, on daily basis it's all risk on and risk off, but from investors longer term point of view, all assets follow their fundamentals. Consider the following which negates your correlation thesis:
- Stocks and Bonds in the US are both near their bull market highs by only a few percent despite negative correlation
- From August 2011 both Stocks and the US Dollar rose into May 2012 despite negative correlation
- Over the last decade Commodities have tripled and US stocks have gone sideways despite positive correlation
- Gold has exceeded it's March 2008 while US Dollar has not made a low below March 2008 despite negative correlation
- Precious Metals and Bonds have returned huge gains since the crisis began in 2007 despite negative correlation
- Stocks and Silver both peaked in May 2011 but Stocks made new bull market highs in August 2012 while Silver was down 50% from its peak around the same month despite positive correlation
- if you bought Canadian Dollar or Gold in 2007, Canadian Dollar would show you a loss and Gold a huge profit despite positive correlation
And the points could go on and on. Remember, even though these assets correlate on the short term basis majority of the time, they actually follow fundamentals over the long term. Therefore stocks can decline and commodities can rise. I don't see why they couldn't? They have done it throughout the 1970s and once again in 2000s despite "correlation concerns". Personally, I take note of correlations but I don't make my investment decisions for one asset class because it correlates with another. Rather, I study fundamentals. Hope that helps.
Tiho, thanks for your detailed view. I see a higher correlation for gold and silver taking place at the moment mainly because the COT Commercials are aggressively AGAINST Gold and Silver right now.
ReplyDeleteHere is a snap of Gold and Silver COT taken a week ago: http://biiwii.com/wordpress/2012/10/05/gold-silver-cot-data-hideous/
This is off the charts and paints a very bearish picture for Gold and Silver at a time when US indexes are making a major top. The Commercials are rarely ever wrong and I don't expect this time will be any different. I'm neither a bull or bear for metals/miners, but playing the odds. The odds of a metals/miners short seem to be a lot higher than long ... at the moment at least.
I agree with Tiho's writing and it shorted successfully at the Sept 15th top. I covered since and I will not be shorting anything at this very moment. The blogs I'm monitoring are in a panic mode and everybody seems to be shorting or anxious to do so. Also, everyone is sure gold/silver will drop right now from these levels.
ReplyDeleteThe Sentimentrader showed the exuberance in rydex long position totally disappeared.
My bet is dollar/bonds will retest its low and they'll be the signal to sell PM and short equities.
Good luck to everyone,
Jacek
Looks like we had a reversal in dollar this AM. So far so good, but I was almost stopped from my miners this AM. Time will tell.
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sunny view - Yes I agree with everything you have said and that is why I am not purchasing any Gold or Silver positions right now. It was only a week ago that I stated:
ReplyDelete"It seems that everyone is eager and willing to rush into the PMs sector. From my experience in this business, it is never wise to follow consensus. Would I buy today or tomorrow? My view is that I would not be buying right here. I rather wait for Gold to drop another $50 to $100. Since almost everyone I follow seems to think Gold will go to $1,900, I'd rather think it will go to $1,700 first."
That was when Gold was trading just shy of $1,800. Today we are already $60 lower in Asian trade at $1742. Having said that, I am not an expert in show term movements, nor am I a trader, so I really do not pay much attention to small movements on daily basis.
From what I read, you are almost always correct in your calls buddy. Keep up the good work because some of us who read your thoughts take it seriously. For a young guy you have a lot of experience and wisdom in trading. Joe
DeleteThere is no question Tiho is a genius. Look how many followers he has now. It went up from zero in short time.
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Thank you for nice comments, however I have to tell you I have no connection towards genius investing ability, not even close. My strategy is basically written on this blog as a trading diary. It helps me write down my thoughts and organise them in efficient and clear way, but by no means is my thought process anything remotely close to genius. Besides, it doesn't take a genius to make money in the market. After all Warren Buffett always use to say that you don't need a high IQ to be a successful investor.
DeleteI guess Tiho has no followers at all. At least not at that blog. As I see people here are interested only in short term play, nobody (or almost nobody) thinks about speculating the way Tiho does. Well, summarizing - Tiho, for me, is a sort of Doug Casey, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber etc. (just to name a few) kind of speculators and the rest are traders, swing players, name it as you want. That's the very, very different philosophy of playing the markets.
ReplyDeleteYou are definitely right in saying that. Investors are almost an extinct breed these days. Close friend of mine and a business partner attended a large investment conference expo the other weekend. He told me that the most interesting thing he noticed that so many promoters there were telling everyone that the period of "buy and hold" is dead. Apparently everyone has now become an expert trader instead.
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ReplyDeleteI like your blog very much. It gives me a different and more meaningful perspective on the markets.
Here is the problem as I see it. These markets no longer are free, but are being manipulated. The precious metals markets are dominated by JP Morgan and a couple of other bullion banks. There is no question about this. Their mission is to keep a cap on PMs so investment money will flow where the boys want it to. This recovery in stocks starting in 2009 is unparalleled for having no meaningful corrections. Many (most?) analysts realize the market is artificial and highly manipulated. So how do you do technical analysis of manipulated markets? It is a recipee for many mistaken trends. Assuming technical analysis is based on study of "normal" markets.
You ask where are all the bears? They have given up fighting the Fed and Wall Street. One prominent analyst on Wall Street nicknamed Tuesdays as "turnaround Tuesday" as invariably every Tuesday since 2009 there would be some rally to correct the damage of the previous trading days. Buying bad news became the new mantra. If the Fed can be so involved in the bond market don't think they don't have have their hands in stock market as well through the large investment banks which they bailed out.
Where are the bulls in the PM markets they have given up trying to fight against the assets of a JP Morgan and a couple of other large banks.
Investing has gotten very tough. At some point unless we have a change in leadership the boys will lose control of the interest rates, the dollar will be devalued, and the silver shorts will be destroyed; but one could lose a lot of money fighting against the establishment in the mean time.
Also If Romney wins the election that would seem to invalidate many of the current trends. It would seem PMs could suffer greatly as America might begin to unwind its deficits. That could be what is driving down PMs since Romeney's ratings improved when he showed well against Obama in the first debate on 10-11.
Once one gets used to the current manipulation schemas in comes the possibility of a whole new set of manipulators.
1Ti_6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Don't be fooled. Romney will do nothing to stop the coming US debt crisis as he has no plans to deliver a balanced budget in any reasonale timeframe. The USD will continue to be debased and PMs will continue their current trends. Unless someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson is elected, you can pretty much kiss the USD goodbye.
DeleteI see US deficits running for as long as de leveraging continues, which means another five years or even more. Regardless of who wins the presidency I see Fed printing and US spending to counter de leveraging and another lost decade. Obviously we have to watch how fundamentals and condotions develop in coming quarters and years.
DeleteI agree with both of you, but when the fiscal cliff happens, I would rather be in dollars, bonds, or shorts for the initial shock. Gold might work, but miners probably not.
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It seems that nearly every 'expert' is trying to get us all to buy gold and silver mining stocks. With gold and silver due a significant correction the miners will go down further.
DeleteI am not sure about the fiscal cliff. I think they will come to an agreement at the 11th hour and that the markets will soar as a result. Timing is the thing.
"According to the Hulbert Financial Digest, newsletters went from recommending a 53% net long position in the Nasdaq to only 6%. That's a huge decline in sentiment for less than a 3% decline in the Nasdaq Composite last week. The only other time in five years we've seen that large of a drop in sentiment for a relatively small decline was the week ending 3/18/11 (which happened to mark a temporary low for the index)."
ReplyDeleteIf I was short, I would cover now, before it's too late.
I'm eying the upcoming top as a short entry.
I'm not covering my shorts because Hulbert Financial Digest said this is this and that is that. I understand his indicator does a good job of tracking short term sentiment, but short term does not concern me too much. This indicator is not yet at extremes, but even when it did hit extreme pessimism throughout 2008, the price of Nasdaq kept going lower and lower and lower... and lower.
ReplyDeleteThat is because it is right to be bearish in a bear market as prices follow fundamentals lower (fall in margins, earnings etc etc) and to be bullish in a bull market because... once again prices rise with fundamentals (rise in margins, earnings etc etc). Having said that, I try and be a contrarian when almost everyone is a bull or a bear. Even though some short term indicators now show neutral sentiment (they swing up and down all the time), real indicators like positioning and cash levels (what people do with their money) show majority are exposed to the stock market.
Besides, I do not open long or short positions one week or month, and than close them the next week or month because some short term indicator said that this and that occurred. I am not a trader and if I was, I'll probably be broke by now. I will only cover my shorts when earnings fall, profit margins revert back to mean, recession plays out, VIX spikes, majority turn bearish and stock prices fall turning extremely oversold. Today, I'm contemplating weather I should enter more short positions at these elevated levels... especially against overvalued assets like Apple, Amazon, Bombay Sensex, Bovespa and Aussie Dollar amongst others.
It shows more complicated like crisis
ReplyDeleteGerman sentiment surveys:
ReplyDeleteCognitrend: 39% bullish versus 42 % bearish
Sentix: neutral (O%)
Animusx: 5% bullish reading
Union Investment quarterly sentiment survey (5000 financial advisor): 14% bullish 46% bearish (most bearish sentiment since December 2002)
The DAX is up 50% from it lows in 2011 and nearly nobody in Germany seems to enjoy the rally. German sentiment does not support the idea of a market top. The only worrysome indicator is the VDAX, which is not only historically low, but also shows some signs of divergence.
Ben
If you believe no one is bullish on the German DAX, how did the German DAX manage to move from 5,000 to 7,400 in the space of 12 months? Somebody had to be bullish to push the price up.
DeleteSo who bought all these German companies and pushed them up 50% in a space of 12 months. I mean they have gone up almost vertically in recent months? Was it the Santa Claus?
Was it the Mario Draghi and the ECB with his trillion Euro plus LTRO loans to the banks, who then went out and speculated in risky assets? I think we are now much closer to the answer... Ben, please don't tell me you believe in the Santa Claus.
Tiho, since you mentioned that, when stocks went from May low to Sept high in USA, AMG Fund Flow reported mutual fund outflows most of those weeks. Where the money come from to bid stocks higher? I don't know, institutions, banks, etc? It was not retail money for sure.
DeleteSo, that agrees with the German experience. This what I'm saying all along, retail money is parked in bonds. I'm not saying you are wrong with top calling, but this is what it is, and this why I'm puzzled about the whole thing.
Jacek
Hulbert short in early August at SPY 140, now to cover at 144.5 in mid Oct? Sounds like the US Post Office. Make it up on volume?
ReplyDeleteYes, that is the question, who has bought the DAX? I don`t know. Nevertheless, usually after such an impressive rally, I would expect more bullishness.
ReplyDeleteBen
I think american banks bought the dax and others indexes. they control 75% of money. in this case they earn also from eur/usd exchange rate.
DeleteFellow Investors,
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting that no one picked up on my comments about these markets being manipulated. For PMs this is obvious. For US stock indexes it woulk sure seem that there is a guardian angel which has been proping up this stock market ralley since 2009 and I am not just talking about the fed printing money. Can a small investor really compete with bullion banks, large investment banks, the fed, and hedge funds to name a few?
I suppose Tiho has the only viable plan. To invest in large mega-trends and avoid being whip-sawed by the manipulators.
But as a PM investor I am becoming sceptical that one can win against the likes of JP Morgan who think nothing of shorting 40% of the entire silver futures market.
To win may require nothing short of a entire financial meltdown. Then what has one won?
Markets can't stay manipulated for a long time, even if what you stated was to be true. When something is overvalued or undervalued, it eventually mean reverts. Therefore, of you think PMs are manipulated or in other words... held forcefully at depressed levels, why would you complain? Why not just thank your lucky stars that you can buy more Gold and Silver at these so called depressed / manipulated prices, and eventually when the market does mean revert, you will make a fortune?
DeleteA very good point Tiho. Thanks for your response
DeleteI'm ready for the market to revert to the mean. I'm in!
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